Monday, May 01, 2006
Pastor Warren: I'm Now In Charge of All Churches in the Country
[The Swazi Observer] FAMOUS pastor Moses Warren, who has preached the gospel before higher authorities of the land, has a prophecy to share with the nation.
Pastor Warren explained to this newspaper that God had sent him to communicate a very important message to the nation, which pastors, in particular, should accept and respect.
“At a time when the nation complains about certain pastors whose moral lives contradict the teachings of the Bible, God has visited Swaziland,” said Pastor Warren.
“Swaziland, nawe awum’ncane (Swaziland, you are not too little in the eyes of the Lord,” proclaimed the preacher who sometimes covers his eyes with a cloth and runs in full speed backwards.
However, Pastor Warren’s preaching is in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
He said God appeared to him in a vision in October 2004 and told him to keep quiet until such time that the message was ready to be delivered to the nation.
“This is the right time for me to deliver it,” he cleared his voice and began to relay it; “Bazalwane (Brethren), I have been sent by God to tell you that I’m now in charge of all churches in Swaziland. I have been ordained by God to teach pastors how to look after the church.”
He added: “With effect from today (Saturday), I’m the principal or overseer of all denominational pastors in Swaziland and whosoever will disobey the command from God invites instant holy wrath.”
The pastor, famous for preaching the gospel along the streets and bus terminus, said his primary duty was to teach pastors how to manage the church and quench false doctrines which have infiltrated the divine institution.
“God sent me to unite all the churches in Swaziland,” he stated.
He explained how God appeared to him in a vision in 2004. “Realistically, I was hit on the head with a stone by a boy in Manzini and collapsed instantly. I actually died for five minutes. My soul just departed my body. When my soul was in Heaven, I met Jesus Christ who gave me all the instructions I have given you. I woke up and found myself at RFM (Raleigh Fitkin Memorial) hospital,” he added.
He said Jesus showed him scattered bones and instructed him to bring them together. He said the bones represented divided churches.
He said God expected him to make churches speak with one voice and interpret the scripture, similarly.
Hmmm.... what would you think if a famous US pastor had the same revelation from God? What would your response be?!
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Hmmm, I have had people like in my churches, not the one I am in now of course, but there is something very familiar about this guy.
Posted by: Kent | May 1, 2006 10:36:42 AM
Is today Friday?
Posted by: Jay Gainer | May 1, 2006 10:47:13 AM
As the Spanish, English, and French would say: No. Is this not the height of arrogance? We obviously have a new Warren to kick around.
On a sadder note, we often hear of the great "revival" on the African continent. If this is the fruit of that revival, I'm not feeling so good about it.
Posted by: bishopdave | May 1, 2006 11:01:45 AM
I would definitely not follow unless there were clear direction from God after months of prayer and fasting. It harkens back to Jim Jones or the Waco tragedies. Pastor Warren's vision may have been real and genuine, but it was filtered through human flesh. When a man receives a vision like this from God He must act on it, but not in the flesh. The flesh says this is how everyone must respond to my dream. The spirit says this is what I should do in response to God's vision. The vision is not evil. It is our response to the vision that can be corrupted.
If this happened in America I could see the media having a field day. There would be those who would follow, but for the most part the vision would die and never be accomplished.
On the other hand, if Pastor Warren had first prayed earnestly about how to fulfill the vision and had set in motion those events that could lead to the accomplishment of his vision then God could remove the road blocks and receive all the glory for what HE has done.
The question we should ask is what should we do with the vision God has given each of us?
Posted by: Terry | May 1, 2006 11:20:23 AM
So, it's NOT Friday...
Posted by: Jay Gainer | May 1, 2006 11:24:16 AM
If this were a God-thing, why would the pastor bother speaking with the local newspaper? Hmmmm. If this were a God thing, many of the other pastors would also be working in concert with Pastor Warren as the Holy Spirit brings this work together. I'm holding judgment on this because maybe my flesh is reacting to this and I don't want to grieve the Spirit but ... the context of the interview would be helpful. Who sought out who?
Posted by: Dan Moore | May 1, 2006 12:11:37 PM
Does not sound like a New Testament model to me. I wonder if he is going to be asking for a salary from every church.
Posted by: Jade | May 1, 2006 12:16:59 PM
I think Pastor Warren said it best,
“Realistically, I was hit on the head with a stone..."
Posted by: Bart | May 1, 2006 12:23:49 PM
Hmmm...hit with a stone, goes to heaven, talks to Jesus, and gets a promotion. Sounds like a CT-scan is in order; probably some internal damage got overlooked at Raleigh Fitkin Memorial hospital.
Word is that a false prophet can be found out when his prophecies don't come true, and this seems to be an easy case. If Warren really said, "whosoever will disobey the command from God invites instant holy wrath", then I'd look around Swaziland for a few pastors who haven't followed the new Moses and see if God's "instant holy wrath" consumed them. If not, I guess they'd better start looking for a new hospital for Mo'.
This reminds me of when I was a cab driver and picked up Jesus. No, really. He said his Father had sent him to earth (again) to let all the priests know they were messing up and he'd come back to straighten things out. (This Jesus was Catholic; I'd always figured that if Jesus came back to earth, he'd probably be non-denominational, or at least still Jewish.) I picked him up at a bowling alley and dropped him off at a bar, so I guess he was still hangin' with sinners!
BTW, Todd - was it intentional to not identify in the title that this isn't Pastor Rick Warren?!
Posted by: Randy Ehle | May 1, 2006 12:28:48 PM
Intentional?! Come on, Randy... you know me better than that, right?!
Posted by: Todd Rhoades | May 1, 2006 12:31:35 PM
[However, Pastor Warren’s preaching is in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ. He said God appeared to him in a vision in October 2004]
His teaching/preaching is NOT in line with Scripture.
Does God audibly speak to us today?
If "yes" God does audibly speak to us today, then who does He Speak to? Just the pastors? Everyone on earth? Only the "anointed"?
This assumption is no different than how Jehova's and Mormons started.
God delivering a "new" revelation of Himself to certain "leaders".
Repent or amathama (cursed) be this false teacher and his teaching.
God has spoken once and for all to us through His Word which is made alive by the Holy Spirit.
How do we know if God appeared to him in a vision or if it was just spicy pizza?
Is adding to God's Word - if He's claiming messages from God, they need to be written down as HOLY.
Time to tell this false teacher his ministry is done and let all of his followers know, this man is NOT of God.
Posted by: BeHim | May 1, 2006 12:41:28 PM
"... his primary duty was to teach pastors how to manage the church and quench false doctrines which have infiltrated the divine institution."
"He said God expected him to make churches speak with one voice and interpret the scripture, similarly."
You can throw rocks at the guy, but there's a lot of similarities with denominations here in the U.S. Churches whose views can be boiled down to "agree with our theology or go to Hell" have views that aren't inconsistent with Pastor Warren's.
Posted by: Roland | May 1, 2006 3:15:42 PM
Good point, Roland. The main difference, I would suggest, is that there are few *individuals* in the US that would claim to be "in charge of all churches in" the US, as Pastor Warren has. But certainly the "my way or the highway" to hell mindset is prevalent.
Posted by: Randy Ehle | May 1, 2006 4:12:12 PM
My Pastor is going to be bummed when I tell him he's got a new boss. Oh, wait, we're not in Swaziland. That's OK, I'll tell him about that part later, after he's steamed for a while.
Posted by: DanielR | May 1, 2006 4:48:41 PM
I agree with Jay, this sounds like a Friday post.
Posted by: DanielR | May 1, 2006 4:49:35 PM
Do you have some examples of pastor's in America that have said they heard from God or a vision from God?
Who are they, what are they saying?
Posted by: BeHim | May 2, 2006 1:56:12 AM
If you ask me it sounds real. There are alot of people out there that believe in things like this and take it way too far. Sounds to me like he wants to be in charge and could be another Jim Jones or a David Karesh.
Posted by: Clairvoyant 1 | May 2, 2006 9:14:53 AM
The one thing that came to mind as I read this was the part of our American church story where a certain founder of a school in OKtold the world that God would kill him if $x million wasn't received in the mail by whatever date... Or more recently the "foot in the mouth" statements of Rpbertson on middle eastern affairs.
When I hear stuff like this I want to change my business cards...
Posted by: Jeff | May 2, 2006 11:12:57 AM
Did either the person desiring 6 million or Pat Robertson mention a vision or dream or that he heard audibly from God?
God speaks to us today through His Word and The Holy Spirit, not prophets, apostles or "still small voices".
What does Scripture say: Hebrews 1:
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
One thing they (6mill man, Pat Robertson and Warrens) all DO have in common with the majority of believers - they are arminian. ;)
Posted by: BeHim | May 2, 2006 11:54:27 AM
I would think there would be some kind of confirmation from his church elders or someone else who is believeable. God appoints us to service, not to national leaadership. But then, what would I have said about Daniel or another prophet? Ultimately only God knows for sure.
Posted by: Buddy Norville | May 8, 2006 10:44:34 AM
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