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Wednesday, May 03, 2006

Entrepreneurial Pastor: Money Should Not Equal Sin and Guilt

BagomoneyI'd love to see a face to face meeting with this guy and Bernie... something tells me they might not hit it off all that well.  :)  This is from "The Entrepreneurial Pastor's" own press release...

HENDERSON, Nev./EWORLDWIRE/April 27, 2006 --- “With the stock market hitting a six-year high today and new home sales surging to levels unseen for 13 years, a lot of people are making money and that is great,” says Scott Hove, "The Entrepreneurial Pastor."

It might seem like a strange thing for a pastor to say but “The Entrepreneurial Pastor” claims many people feel guilty about making money. Hove bases his views on conversations he had over the years he served as a pastor.

“On a number of occasions, people who were doing well financially, or who wanted to, expressed guilt about their feelings, said they felt the church gave a two-sided message. One part of the message was ‘give us your money.’ The second part was ‘don’t make any.’”

Hove claims that double message put many people in a quandary, “people got stuck in life because on the one hand they have a dream to succeed financially and on the other hand was a message to take it easy when it comes to money.” Hove says that’s why he is writing a book about the dilemma and teaching seminars.

“As a pastor, I needed people in my church with money to do the things we felt we were to do. What if instead of making people feel guilty we can empower people to succeed? Imagine the great things that could be accomplished for the benefit of all,” Hove concluded.

Hove is beginning a series of workshops in Las Vegas to teach people how they can make money and not worry about a “fiery” result.

Hove is an author, speaker and entrepreneur as well as a former pastor but obviously not a typical pastor. The Web site about his new book and seminars is found at www.MoneyYesHellNo.com.

Hove's first book is titled, “OH, POOP! Problems Happen … It’s What You Do With Them That Matters.” Additionally, he has worked on Capitol Hill and ran for statewide political office.

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I think I feel his pain, to an extent. Having been in the workplace before becoming a pastor (and bi-vocational even now), I know the pressure of wanting to make more money and having some feel I was sinful for doing it.

There was a time when I was involved in a multi-level marketing company (which shall go nameless) and I REALLY struggled with this. I wanted to make as much money as I could so I could not only be debt-free but to give to the church and other ministries I believed in. However, those I approached saw me as money-hungry instead of sincerely wanting to help people make money (and make some myself). I hated approaching people because of how I thought I would be perceived, no matter what I did to get through it.

I left that business years ago, and don't regret it one bit (for numerous reasons), but I learned some great things that have helped me in ministry.

I have determined that if someone is trying to make more money, then I want to encourage them. Yet I also want to make sure that they understand that pursuing wealth for their own comfort and luxury is not a Scriptural motivation.

God gives some people wealth and the ability to create it. I pray that those in God's family will use it to His glory.


Brian

Posted by: Brian La Croix | May 3, 2006 7:40:21 PM

The same Bible that says "Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness" also includes "He who does not provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever." Too bad the church more frequently trumpets the former and ignores the latter for those in pastoral roles. If a congregation doesn't provide a compensation comparable to the standard of living where a pastor serves, they ought to absolutely encourage their pastor to fulfill the obligation to provide that standard of living by supplemental means rather than inculcate guilt for bi-vocational service.

On the other hand, if a pastor is raking in an income substantially greater than the standard of living where he serves, his witness is going to be shot not only among people in that community but among the church at large. That's why these high-flying TV types catch so much disgust and the wise thing to do is to set some limits for the good of the gospel.

Posted by: Dean | May 3, 2006 8:53:14 PM

I think The Entrepreneurial Pastor is on to something as long as he doesn't direct people to consider their possessions greater than the act of Redemption Christ did to be Saved from a worldly system.

Posted by: Theway2k | May 3, 2006 9:42:51 PM

The Apostle Paul was a businessman. Most of the early apostles were mostly bivocational. In some areas, it is the best way to go. God has blessed some individuals in ministry with the skills to make lots of money and most of those do pour those resources back into the kingdom.

Perception is what pastors need to be mindful of when they are bivocational. The church does need to be educated that the pastor does need to be able to eat, drink, and raise a family. If the church cannot provide...then the pastor should be free to provide for his family through secular work. Should the pastor be well compensated by a secular job, he should be a model of Christian giving - generously - in such a way that the congregation will not form the wrong ideas or perceptions.

Posted by: Dan Moore | May 4, 2006 3:46:32 PM

It hard for many people in the church to realize that as a pastor (if you have an earned bachelors and M.Div.) you are as educated in your field as a doctor or lawyer is in theirs when they start out. Only the average pastor earns below the poverty level (I may not be completely accurate, but not by much).

Posted by: eric | May 4, 2006 5:28:12 PM

Love the idea of you working as an entrepreneurial pastor. I've been doing something similar offline for about 12 years. More recently I've come to the internet.

Keep on keeping on,

Ced Reynolds - The Entrepreneurial Pastor
(909 597 3502

Posted by: Ced - Entrepeneurial Pastor | May 4, 2006 7:38:36 PM


Dear Pastor,


I feel that the primary goal of the church is helping members find a close relationship with God through Jesus Christ….. “Seek first the Kingdom of Heaven. Labor for treasures in Heaven and not on the earth”. This passage is mentioned at least a 100 times in the scriptures so it must be important. On the mundane side the mundane side however, the church has many other goals and functions that must be met as well i.e. providing a suitable place of worship, aiding members in times of crisis, providing a fellowship atmosphere for members, and so on. In order for the church to provide these services it must have a source of revenue which is normally accomplished by tithes and or fundraising.

The traditional methods of Fund Raising e.g., selling magazines, garage sales, cake baking, etc is rapidly being replaced with Multilevel Marketing.

The term network marketing is used in two ways. In popular usage it is a synonym for multi-level marketing and often mistakenly considered the same as a pyramid scheme.

As the name implies, a pyramid scheme is illegal in the eyes of the law http://www.legal-definitions.com/criminal-law/pyramid-schemes.htm?gclid=CMj-mtjA-oYCFRWbJAodNE6XIA Unfortunately the term Multi Level Marketing has been erroneously associated with pyramids
and many Chruches are missing out on a “Golden opportunity” by not promoting sales and services through MLM http://mlmlegal.com/npo.html . The fact is that
in recent years, nonprofit (and profit) organizations have played a growing role in network marketing sales. Overnight, the employees of an ….organization may become an instant sales organization of hundreds of thousands. The amount of profits that can be made in a relatively short period, is staggering.
A simplified explanation can be found at: IS THIS A PYRAMID OR LEGITIMATE MLM?
http://mlmlegal.com/pyramid.html
The Multilevel Marketing paradigm is especially suitable for Churches
because of four very important things:

1. It allows the members to generate revenue for the church without being under pressure of the tithe (which some members may not be able to afford). [For an example of this go to: /http://www.vuu.org/cs/ in left margin click “membership” on next page click on financial “commitment” it is highlighted in red]
2. It allows the members generate revenue for themselves in the same amount as does the church. This means that as the church grows, so does its members.
3. Fund raising can be done daily rather than on sporadic occasions or when needs arise.
4. It allows the Church to establish and maintain an emergency fund to assist members in time of need

ADDITIONAL MLM ADVANTAGES IN FUNDRAISING


Unlimited residual income potential
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No product to purchase hence, no inventory
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Church members can make money for the church and themselves at the same time!
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FOR COMPLETE INFORMATION! Please go to: www.freedom.ws/johnsonceo

I look forward to talking with you in the near future to discuss how you can begin to grow with Multi Level Marketing.

God be with you


CHARLES E. JOHNSON
480-655-5663

PS – Pastor C. Thomas Anderson’s book: “BECOMING A MILLIONARE GOD’S WAY”
Provides great insight on the subject of Tithes, Church Members and Business.

Becoming a Millionaire God's Way (Hardcover)
by C. Thomas Anderson, Don Enevoldsen, Robert T. Kiyosaki (Foreword) "The first step in achieving wealth is to

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