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Thursday, April 27, 2006

More on the Purpose-Driven Cafe

Yesterday, we mentioned "The Purpose-Driven Cafe".  I finally found the link.  You can check it out here.  They have an interesting article posted called "Jesus and Starbucks".  Some of you might enjoy that one.

Todd

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Read the article - what a shame, really! The guy is addicted to coffee, so much so that he couldn't probably care less that Starbucks is fully committed to the radical homosexual agenda.

I remember Jesus saying "touch no unclean thing and I will receive you." I guess that excludes Starbucks addictions?

If you got to read this, congratulations. Todd - you can hit the delete button now.

But note this Todd, no comment about that purpose dude, at all.

In Christ,
Bill in KC

Posted by: Bill | Apr 27, 2006 6:16:58 PM

And with that Bill, you have the last word.

If you have to take a shot at the blog owner in your comments, then they will be deleted. (And you won't be able to post again).

Everyone say good-bye to Bill. That's two down tonight.

(Wow, I step out for my son's baseball game and people go wild.)

Todd

Posted by: Todd Rhoades | Apr 27, 2006 7:39:58 PM

Hmmm...so I can't drink Starbucks coffee because they are "fully committed to the radical homosexual agenda"? I seem to recall Jesus eating with sinners, but maybe he didn't drink their coffee - or maybe he turned it into wine. Should I have quit my last job (before I did) because my boss was a homosexual? (BTW - it wasn't a church job, in case anyone's wondering.)

I sure won't claim to have the "in but not of" thing all worked out, but I'll tell you this - there is some serious ministering going on in Starbucks shops across the country. And frankly, I would have more concern about John Fischer's addiction to caffeine and the cost of his daily Starbucks than I would about the fact that he has Starbucks instead of a holier brand.

Posted by: Randy Ehle | Apr 27, 2006 7:52:14 PM

Sure enough, this morning my Starbuck’s cup had RW’s quote. How pleased I was to know that along with humanists and would-be philosophers, customers will now read a short statement about God, His love and plan for them.

I commend this project and others that might find avenues to communicate elements of our faith through secular venues like Starbucks where non-Christians shop, eat, go to movies, etc. Since this is America, Christians cannot dictate how a secular corporation is run. I guess we could attempt to persuade by withholding our dollars from every business that isn’t run by Christians, but personally I don’t see the point. Too much trouble for me, without potential for kingdom impact (perhaps even a negative impact).

I’d rather support organizations and businesses (Christian run and not) that will invite us to communicate elements of our message, just as PurposeDriven Café has done – good job!!

And I agree with Randy. Sit for little more than an hour in any Starbucks and eavesdrop on conversations. You’ll hear spiritual conversations, bibles open, people with their heads bowed in prayer. Starbucks is an American Christian ministry headquarters.

Wendi

Posted by: Wendi | Apr 27, 2006 9:46:49 PM

Randy & Wendi, I can see that hanging around me has paid off hasn't it.. Just kidding guys... Believe me I am just kidding around. I am flying high tonight... God has been so good to me today even though I was sick and I am so happy to hear all of this good news of how the Gospel is getting out. I love you guys. Gotta go I have some hate mail to open.

PS: You know Todd this has given me some good ideas of how to spread the gospel during my business deals here.

Posted by: Clairvoyant 1 | Apr 27, 2006 10:17:51 PM

Glad you saw the quote, Wendi. Frankly, I've never read the side of a Starbucks cup (except to see if they got my order right) because I always use the sleeves. Right now they're focused on "Akeelah and the Bee". Now maybe if Todd could get an MMI sleeve onto the cups....

Posted by: Randy Ehle | Apr 27, 2006 11:17:17 PM

Coffee from Starbucks has become more a culture statement than it has "an American Christian ministry headquarters".

I've heard it called "four-bucks" instead of Star Bucks but either way, Christians are pouring many of God's bucks into a drink that used to cost pennies (still does when made at home).

I just wonder why we couldn't pour more money into Bible Translations like the Arabic Translated Bibles and mail them to willing Christian Soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Give them away outside of Walmart, Albertson's, Safeway, King Soopers, Etc.

It just seems were so culturally driven that perception becomes our driving force instead Perceiving. We want to be accepted by the world instead of accepting the world will hate us.

Posted by: BeHim | Apr 28, 2006 2:18:14 AM

I actually do get a little concerned about the over-caffeinating of America. I have two cups of coffee (sometimes 1) the four days a week I'm "in the office." That's it! The amounts of coffee people drink these days is unhealthy in a big way! Try decaf!

But "radical homosexual agenda"? Uhhhh... whatever...

But on the other hand, I really liked John Fisher's article. It wasn't really about Starbucks at all!

Posted by: Peter Hamm | Apr 28, 2006 11:16:05 AM

I went into Starbucks once a long time ago and they are just too expensive for me. I also get confused with all the latte's and other nomenclature for the various coffees. But for those who have the funds and the time it is a good "fishing hole" for souls.

If people are gathering at Coffee cafes ... a lot better than bars in that you can drink a lot of coffee and still drive sober.

The use of "coffee houses" to reach people for Christ is not new. We have a two in Southern Maryland.

Posted by: Dan Moore | Apr 29, 2006 11:32:32 PM

Hey all...

I've cleaned up the comments on this post alot. Again, we're really not going to get into a fight about Starbucks and homosexuality here.

Todd

Posted by: Todd Rhoades | Apr 30, 2006 6:02:34 PM

Does anyone know John Fisher email address, I want to write him directly to tell him how much I support him! and how much those starbucks devotionals made me think of just the importance of remembering how good friendship is.

Posted by: Otto | May 23, 2006 11:07:28 AM

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