Wednesday, June 15, 2005
Seven Great "Quotables" from Ed Young, Jr.
Brenton Balvin shares seven great quotes from Pastor Ed Young, Jr. from a recent Willow Creek conference he attended. These are pretty good...
1. 'it not about my thingdom, but about his kingdom'
2. 'do I need that, or do I greed that'
3. 'the higher the predictability, the lower the connectivity'
4. 'when I bring God the best, the rest gets blessed'
5. 'we take the American Express to debt, we need to read the Masters Card, and then we get a Visa to financial freedom'
6. Offering is not about giving, it is about 'bringing it'
7. 'too many people are running around talking smack, but not doing jack'
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"'do I need that, or do I greed that'"
Good point, but it takes a lot of soul-searching...
Not sure about this one:
"Offering is not about giving, it is about 'bringing it'"
We, in general, do need to be more "giving," and not just towards God.
Posted by: bernie dehler | Jun 15, 2005 1:48:27 PM
"And if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." ;)
More of todays preaching is taking on the look of sound bytes. I'm not being super spiritual here, but can Brenton quote any scriptures that he used?
Those quotes look great on a t-shirt or on a bumper sticker, but I'd like something with a bit more meat.
Posted by: pjlr | Jun 15, 2005 7:41:12 PM
Great Point PJLR.
3. 'the higher the predictability, the lower the connectivity'
I have a problem with this because God is highly predictible but it doesn't make Him any less connected to me or anyone else called by His name.
I think this philosophy is founded in his thingonomy not Theology.
Posted by: BeHim | Jun 15, 2005 8:59:52 PM
It amazes me that anytime someone tries to be creative and present the unchanging gospel in a relevent "inner"taining way that the christianise police are so quick to call it shallow and need more "meat".
I happen to have sat under Ed's teaching for two years as a member and staff member at fellowship before coming on staff at Seacoast Church. Ed is one of the most theologically sound, rib-eye steak preaching, teachers I have ever heard. His staff seek God, his people serve and fellowship church is making a huge difference in the kingdom. Oh, and he says it with style to boot!
Thanks Ed! Keep screaming.
Posted by: Shawn Wood | Jun 15, 2005 10:11:06 PM
Good quotes. Thanks for posting.
Posted by: Gary | Jun 15, 2005 10:18:19 PM
Shawn... I agree (big suprise) :)
I'm not sure why we feel the need to pick at everything.
I didn't label these "Great Theological Truths" by Ed Young, just quotes.
They weren't intended to give the full story of salvation. They were just quotes.
They weren't the top scripture passages used by Ed Young... just quotes.
Quotes are just memorable statements; that's all they are. I thought they were memorable and somewhat thought-provoking. That's why I included them here. Hope (most) of you enjoyed them.
Time for bed. :)
Posted by: Todd Rhoades | Jun 15, 2005 11:40:03 PM
Todd, I guess the "regulars" here are quite spiritual, so nothing less than "ultra-deep" will do. Nice quotes from Ed. I think they do have some meaning - but they were from someone's creative juices flowing, and these quotes CAN get someone to stop and think. It doesn't always take a direct quote from the precious Word of God to draw people to the Word and to God.
Just some food for thought...
Posted by: MCW | Jun 15, 2005 11:48:04 PM
Todd, MCW, Shawn: You may have misunderstood my intent. I wasn't suggesting that Ed is not a good communicator, or that he is theologically insipid, or that his ministry is suspect. Not at all.
When I went to "preaching school" I was taught that what people needed to get out of your message was the transcendent truths of God. I thought it was rather interesting that the highlights of Ed's message, as understood by the hearer, looked more like sound bytes than transcendent truths.
It's what one would expect from any convention or seminar, secular or spiritual. I don't have the benefit of having the context in which these statements were made, but that exactly is my point. If we are going to tout that something that is being said or taught is beneficial to the church, a little better context needs to be provided.
My apologies to those who thought I was criticizing Ed Young. My principal comment still holds though. Sound bytes and bumper sticker comments rarely do more than get brief attention and often it is to the clever turn of a phrase rather than the truth it is trying to convey.
Posted by: pjlr | Jun 16, 2005 11:19:14 AM
Thanks for repeating some of my post and spreading it to a wider audience. How did you come across my blog by the way?
I can understand you points and your desire to keep the word of God prominent. I agree. But these quotes are taken from a conference and do not come from a 'sermon' context.
And even if they did, I would have to agree with the people who argue for creativity and memorability. I think they articulated the case well.
I tend to think people have enough meat, what they really need to do is push off away from the table and start exercising.
Posted by: Brenton Balvin | Jun 18, 2005 1:36:05 AM
Can most people in their "exercise" present The Gospel?
How about you, can you provide an example of "exercising" and present The Gospel, here, now, on this blog and define that as "meat"?
Posted by: BeHim | Jun 18, 2005 10:41:08 AM
Thanks... I found your site through a web search (not sure which one)... but thought the quotes were great.
Posted by: Todd Rhoades | Jun 18, 2005 12:15:19 PM
I think Brenton was just saying that people need to take some action themselves rather than just sitting and soaking it in and never living it. Don't read too much into what he's saying.
Again, guys... just quotes, not sermon outlines or amendments to the Romans Road here. And as Brenton pointed out... these were comments made to pastors at a conference, not even in a sermon.
Deep breath everyone...
ahhhhh... much better.
Posted by: Todd Rhoades | Jun 18, 2005 12:18:13 PM
I have just started reading your thoughts here and you do a great job of moderating a blog that seems to have very opinionated and passionate readers. That sort of diversity is great. Our dialogue can really sharpen one another.
And your assessment of my exercise comment is exactly right. I have thought about never again preaching on the meaning of a word 'in the greek' until more children are saved from starvation, AIDS, and child prostitution. Then maybe we can debate Calvinism and Open Theism. But first, let's get really honest and say that the church as a whole (though there are many notable individual exceptions) has dropped the ball and focused on information and knowledge instead of social action and creation redemption.
That is all I meant about the meat vs. exercise comment. I come out of a church split where people cared more about Christians getting "feed" (I would say fat) instead of lost people being enfolded.
Thanks for the conversation guys.
Posted by: Brenton Balvin | Jun 18, 2005 2:51:57 PM
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